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    Post Najpoznatija svjetska enciklopedija veli da su Crnogorci Srbi

    Serb Medieval State of Zeta

    The Slav peoples were organized along tribal lines, each headed by a zupan (chieftain). In this part of the Adriatic littoral, from the time of the arrival of the Slavs up to the 10th century, these local magnates often were brought into unstable and shifting alliances with other larger states, particularly with Bulgaria, Venice, and Byzantium. Between 931 and 960 one such zupan, Ceslav**, operating from the zupanija of Zeta in the hinterland of the Gulf of Kotor, succeeded in unifying a number of neighbouring Serb tribes and extended his control as far north as the Sava River and eastward to the Ibar. Zeta and its neighbouring zupanija of Raska (roughly modern Kosovo) then provided the territorial nucleus for a succession of Serb kingdoms that in the 13th century were consolidated under the Nemanjic dynasty.

    Although the Serbs have come to be identified closely with the Eastern Orthodox tradition of Christianity, it is an important indication of the continuing marginality of Zeta that Michael, the first of its rulers to claim the title king, had this honour bestowed on him by Pope Gregory VII in 1077. It was only under the later Nemanjic rulers that the ecclesiastical allegiance of the Serbs to Constantinople was finally confirmed. On the death of Stefan Dusan in 1355, the Nemanjic empire began to crumble, and its holdings were divided among the knez (prince) Lazar Hrebeljanovic, the short-lived Bosnian state of Tvrtko I (reigned 1353-91), and a semi-independent chiefdom of Zeta under the house of Balsa, with its capital at Skadar. Serb disunity coincided fatefully with the arrival in the Balkans of the Ottoman armies, and in 1389 Lazar fell to the forces of Sultan Murad I at the Battle of Kosovo.

    After the Balsic dynasty died out in 1421, the focus of Serb resistance shifted northward to Zabljak (south of Podgorica). There a chieftain named Stefan Crnojevic set up his capital. Stefan was succeeded by Ivan the Black, who, in the unlikely setting of this barren and broken landscape and pressed by advancing Ottoman armies, created in his court a remarkable if fragile centre of civilization. Ivan's son Djuradj built a monastery at Cetinje, founding there the see of a bishopric, and imported from Venice a printing press that produced after 1493 some of the earliest books in the Cyrillic script. During the reign of Djuradj, Zeta came to be more widely known as Montenegro (this Venetian form of the Italian Monte Nero is a translation of the Serbian Crna Gora, "Black Mountain").


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    Default ******** dokazuje da je Srbin preko Britannice !!

    Nijesi napisao ko je slao podatke Britannici ?


    ******** dokazuje da je Srbin preko Britannice ! To se zove kriza identita.

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    Britannici ne mora niko da salje podatke. Oni imaju svoje istoricare koji to sami rade. Zato je uostalom Britannica najpoznatija svjetska enciklopedija jer su njeni podaci , tako barem smatraju u svjetskim intelektualnim krugovima - najtacniji i najmerodavniji....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janko23
    Britannici ne mora niko da salje podatke. Oni imaju svoje istoricare koji to sami rade. Zato je uostalom Britannica najpoznatija svjetska enciklopedija jer su njeni podaci , tako barem smatraju u svjetskim intelektualnim krugovima - najtacniji i najmerodavniji....
    Britannica nema svoje istoricare, nego joj za razne oblasti salju podatke razni strucnjaci.

    Nema sumnje da joj podatke za Balkan salje neki veliki, veeeliki Srbin.

    Zalosno je da preko Britannice dokazujes da si Srbin.

    Postoji milion stranih izvora dje se Crnogorci spominju kao narod.

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    99% tih inostranih istorijskih krugova smatra Crnogorce Srbima a Crnu Goru srpskom drzavom. Oces da kazes da svi oni zive u nekoj velikoj zabludi? Ako je tako molim te posalji te tvoje "cinjenice" kojima raspolazes na adresu tih eminentnih istoricara i pokusaj da promijenis njihovo istorijsko misljenje. Do tad samo mozes da prdis niz vetar....

    Evo i najpoznatija svjetska besplatna internet enciklopedija, Wikipedia veli da je Duklja bila srednjevekovna srpska drzava osnovana od strane Srbina Stefana Vojislava. Ako ne vjerujes mozes provjeriti na:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Montenegro

    Takodje ako posjetis ovaj link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia mozes da vidis da Wikipedia u Srbiju ubraja sledece srednjevekovne srpske drzave: Duklju, Rasku, Zahumlje, Travuniju, Bosnu i Paganiju. Ako lazes ti , ne lazu Wikipedia i Britannica :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    Last edited by Janko23; 05-05-05 at 00:37.

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    Da vidimo sta kaze dalje Wikipedia o srpskoj istoriji:

    Medieval Serbia 7th - 14th Century
    The Serbs entered their present territory early in the 7th century AD, settling in six distinct tribal delimitations:

    Rascia/Raška (present-day Western Serbia and Northern Montenegro),
    Bosnia [1] (indistinct from Rascia until the 12th century),
    Zachumlie/Zahumlje (western Herzegovina),
    Trebounia/Travunija (eastern Herzegovina),
    Pagania/Paganija (middle Dalmatia) and finally
    Duklja/Zeta (predecessor to Montenegro).

    The first recorded Serb princes were Vlastimir, Viseslav, Radoslav and Prosigoj. By that time, the country had entirely accepted Christianity. In Zeta, today's Montenegro, Bodin was crowned by the Pope (the first mention of this is a century later, in the 10th century. The rulers kept changing and the country accepted supreme protection from the Byzantine Empire rather than from hostile Bulgaria. Serbia was freed from the Byzantine Empire a century later.


    The first Serb state emerged under Caslav Klonimirovic in the mid-10th century in Rascia. However the first half of the 11th century saw the rise of the Vojislavljevic family in Zeta. Finally, the middle of the 12th century saw once more the rise of Rascia with the Nemanjic dynasty. The Nemanjic were to lead Serbia to a golden age which lasted for over three centuries and produced a powerful Balkan state which had its apogee under the reign of Tsar Stefan Dusan in the mid 14th century, before finally succumbing to Ottoman Turkish subjugation (with Zeta, the last bastion, finally falling in 1499).

    Itd. nastavak na http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...-_14th_Century

    Uglavnom moja poenta je da svjetska istorija smatra Duklju i Zetu srpskim srednjevekovnim drzavama, tj njihove stanovnike Srbima. Takodje prvog vladara Duklje Caslava Klonimorovica svjetska istorija takodje smatra Srbinom. Zato je sasvim jasno da gledano kroz prizmu svjetske istorije Crna Gora je srpska drzava, a njeni stanovnici su Srbi....

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    Default Ako ja lazem, onda laze i car CAR KONSTANTIN VII PORFIROGENIT

    Quote Originally Posted by Janko23
    99% tih inostranih istorijskih krugova smatra Crnogorce Srbima a Crnu Goru srpskom drzavom. Oces da kazes da svi oni zive u nekoj velikoj zabludi? Ako je tako molim te posalji te tvoje "cinjenice" kojima raspolazes na adresu tih eminentnih istoricara i pokusaj da promijenis njihovo istorijsko misljenje. Do tad samo mozes da prdis niz vetar....

    Evo i najpoznatija svjetska besplatna internet enciklopedija, Wikipedia veli da je Duklja bila srednjevekovna srpska drzava osnovana od strane Srbina Stefana Vojislava. Ako ne vjerujes mozes provjeriti na:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Montenegro

    Takodje ako posjetis ovaj link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia mozes da vidis da Wikipedia u Srbiju ubraja sledece srednjevekovne srpske drzave: Duklju, Rasku, Zahumlje, Travuniju, Bosnu i Paganiju. Ako lazes ti , ne lazu Wikipedia i Britannica :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    Ne lazem ja, nego ti lazes i Wiki i Britnni i oni Srbi koji im salju podatke.

    Ako ja lazem onda je i lazov CAR KONSTANTIN VII PORFIROGENIT i njegovo djelo DAI, koji NIJE ubrojao Duklju u srpske zemlje.

    Njegovo djelo DAI je apsolutno najvazniji izvor za izucavanje Balkana.

    Daleko vazniji nego Dr Jorgovanka Kukuruzovic i Dr Kamenko Pasuljkovic sto salju podatke za Wiki i Britnni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janko23
    99% tih inostranih istorijskih krugova smatra Crnogorce Srbima a Crnu Goru srpskom drzavom.
    Janko, pusti ti inostrane istorijske krugove. Sto ti, kao obican covjek mislis po tom pitanju?
    Vecina ljudi je zla

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janko23
    Stefan was succeeded by Ivan the Black,
    Ivan The Black....Dobro nije Ivan The Terrible

    Ivan's son Djuradj built a monastery at Cetinje
    Dobre su im podatke poslali:lolblue::lolblue::lolblue:

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    Quote Originally Posted by HIGHLANDER
    Ivan The Black....Dobro nije Ivan The Terrible



    Dobre su im podatke poslali:lolblue::lolblue::lolblue:
    Janko23 ne zna engleski a postavlja tekstove iz Engleskog !

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