sale mozes li na pm ili ovdje dat ponudu externih hdd od 1tb?
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sale mozes li na pm ili ovdje dat ponudu externih hdd od 1tb?
Trenutno nije velik izbor Ext HDD-ova sa spoljasnjim napajanjem. Ovo je sadasnji lager:
WD WDBAAU0010HBK-EESN, 7200rpm 3.5" 1TB 32MB External USB 2.0 Elements = 97.00 eur
WD WDBAAU0015HBK-EESN, 7200rpm 3.5" 1.5TB 32MB External USB 2.0 Elements = 130.00 eur
WD My Book Studio 2TB, 2000 GB, WDBAAJ0020HSL-EESN, FireWire,USB, 32 MB, 3,5", 7.200 rpm = 235.00 eur
WD 2TB H2NC20000E (dual disk) WD Ext H2NC20000E (dual disk), 2000 GB, LAN, 16 MB, 3,5", 7.200 rpm = 300.00 eur
HDD Verbatim 7200rpm 3.5" 1.5TB External USB 2.0 = 120.00 eur
Lager Ext. diskova od 2.5" sa USB napajanjem:
Apacer Externi HDD AC202 320GB Share Steno Black AP320GAC202B-S = 57.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC203 320GB White AP320GAC203W-S = 57.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC601 320GB AP320GAC601B-S Share Steno Black, USB/eSATA = 59.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 320GB APACER AC202 AP320GAC202R-S Share Steno Red, 8MB External USB 2.0 = 61.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC601 320GB AP320GAC601W-S Share Steno Silver, USB/eSATA = 62.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC203 500GB Black AP500GAC203B-S = 68.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC601 500GB Share Steno Black, USB/eSATA AP500GAC601B-S = 71.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC203 640GB Black AP640GAC203B-S = 80.00 eur
Apacer Externi HDD AC203 640GB White AP640GAC203W-S = 80.00 eur
Transcend 250GB Classic TS250GSJ25C, USB, 8 MB, 2,5", 5.400 rpm = 64.00 eur
TRANSCEND 320GB Mobile TS320GSJ25M, USB, 8 MB, 2,5", 5.400 rpm, antishock = 66.00 eur
Transcend HDD 320GB Externi Classic, TS320GSJ25C, USB, 8 MB, 2,5", 5.400 rpm = 71.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 500GB TRANSCENDTS500GSJ25M, 8MB External USB 2.0Anti-Shock = 80.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 250GB TakeMS TMSMLE250SAT2501A, External USB 2.0 Mem.Line Easy = 59.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 250GB TakeMS TMSML250SAT2503, 8MB External USB 2.0 Mem.Line Mobile = 62.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 320GB TakeMS TMSMLE320SAT2501A, External USB 2.0 Mem.Line Easy = 65.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 500GB TakeMS TMSMLE500SAT2501A, External USB 2.0 Mem.LineEasy = 88.00 eur
HDX Verbatim 2,5 320GB Blue Blister = 63.00 eur
HDX Verbatim 2,5 500GB Volcanic Orange = 82.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 320GB WD WDBAAR3200ABK-EES, 8MB External USB 2.0 Elements = 65.00 eur
HDD 5400rpm 2.5" 320GB Hitachi HXSMEA3201ABB, External USB 2.0 Vegas Black = 67.00 eur
Seagate Externi HDD - HDX Seagate 2,5" 500GB = 75.00 eur
Maxell 860016.00.CN external 2,5" HDD Tank H 500GB 5400 (RMP), USB 2.0 and eSATA dual interface, metallic finish = 84.00 eur
Ako moze spisak PSU od 600W pa na dalje?
Interesuje me cijena za procesor AMD Athlon II X3 445?
Inace sve pohvala za javno objavljivanje cijena, jer drugi to rade na pp.
Ne mogu da razumijem kako to ide u prilog prodaji, ali dobro :D
peace :joint:
Sasa, moz li postavit ponudu i cijene napajanja za desktop pc i flash memorija?
moze li ponuda monitora, obavezno rezolucije 1920x1080 i da imaju DVI
mogu bit LED backlit a i ne moraju, velicina od 22" do 24"
Sta imas od Razer podloga?
Sasa,
Mozes li izbaciti listu miseva kojih imas na lageru? Interesuju me samo skuplje varijante i to bezicne... Logitech i razer...
Poslaji mi da vidim sto imas od WEB CAM.
cijene hdd (unutrasnji) od 1TB ili veci, ako moze?
Od HDD-ova na lageru imam:
WD:
WD 20EARS Caviar Green 2TB (SATA 3Gb/s, 64MB cache, 5400-7200rpm, 3.5") = 97.00 eur
SATA3 7200 1TB WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX, 64MB = 93.00 eur
HDD SATA2 7200 1.5TB WD Caviar Green WD15EARS, 64MB = 81.00 eur
SATA2 7200 1TB WD Caviar Green WD10EARS, 64MB = 65.00 eur
WD Caviar Blue 10EALS, 1TB, SATA II, 32 MB, 3,5", 7.200 rpm = 61.00 eur
Seagate:
Barracuda LP ST32000542AS 2TB 5900 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" = 98.00 eur
Barracuda ST31000528AS SATA 3Gb/s 1TB (32MB cache, 7200rpm) = 59.00 eur
U prijemu:
SATA2 7200 1TB Samsung SpinPoint F3 SAHD103SJ, 32MB = 77.00 eur
SATA2 5400 2TB Samsung Spinpoint F4EG HD204UI, 32MB = 114.00 eur
sta imas od napajanja 650-850w?
630W AXP Simple Power, 12cm/Silent fan = 56.00 eur
750W AXP Simple Power, 14cm/Silent fan = 87.00 eur
600W Xigmatek GO GREEN 80PLUS, 14cm fan = 86.00 eur
600W OCZ StealthXStream, 12 cm fan/PFC/ OCZ600SXS = 88.00 eur
650W ATX Chieftec CFT-650-14CS FULL = 95.00 eur
700W Xigmatek GO GREEN 80PLUS, 14cm fan = 98.00 eur
700W OCZ StealthXStream, 12cm fan/EPS/PFC/OCZ700SXS = 102.00 eur
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS = 105.00 eur
Seasonic SS-750HT, 750W, aktivni PFC, Hlađenje 120 mm, 24-pinski konektor 1, ATX12V 1, SATA 9, FDD 1, PCIe 4, Molex 6 = 120.00 eur
ThermalTake Toughpower XT 775W, TPX-775M, 775 W, aktivni PFC, Hlađenje 140mm dual ball bearing Fan:1900 RPM ± 10%, 24-pinski konektor 1, modular = 120.00 eur
Thermaltake Toughpower XT 875W ,TPX-875M; ATX 12V 2.3 & SSI EPS 12V 2.91 standard, Double-forward switching circuitry Unparalleled DC to DC converters High quality Japanski kondenzatori 105 ° C solid state kondenzatori 80 PLUS Bronze certifikat S.P.T. Indikator (standbay/PG signal/temperatura) Fan Delay Cool Technology 12Vin1: single +12V rail design providing up to 72A Multi-GPU ready Active Power Factor Correction (PFC) 24-pinski konektor 1, ATX12V x2, SATA x8, FDD x1, PCIe x4, Molex x6 = 158.00 eur
LC POWER Legion X LC1050 1000W, standardi: 12V1, 12V2, 12V3, 12V4; konektori: 4-pin Floppy, 4-pin HDD/CD, 4-pin +12V, 5-pin SATA, 8-pin EPS, 20-pin MB, 24-pin MB, 6-pin VGA; LED svijetlo = 160.00 eur
1000W Chieftec CFT-1000G-DF = 195.00 eur
LC POWER Monolith LC1200 1200W, standardi: 12V1, 12V2, 12V3; konektori: 4-pin Floppy, 4-pin HDD/CD, 4-pin +12V, 5-pin SATA, 8-pin EPS, 20-pin MB, 24-pin MB, 6-pin VGA; LED svijetlo = 238.00 eur
Za 3 dana dolazi mi nova isporuka LC Power-a, Chieftec-a i Cooler Master-a, mada je i trenutni izbor zadovoljavajuci.
LC POWER Legion X LC1050 1000W je li ovo x2 ili samo x?
Spisak laptopova i netbookova koji su na lageru od pocetka novembra do danas. Preko 200 laptopova u ponudi. Vrijedi pogledati.
Kućište Thermaltake V9 Black Edition VJ400G1N2ZD = 110,00 eur
Kućište Thermaltake V9 Black Edition Midi tower Podržani formati matične ploče: ATX,µATX Ladice za uređaje: 5,25" - 4kom, 3,5" - 2kom, 3,5" unutrasnji - 5kom, 2xUSB, HD Audio x1 Crna boja Hlađenje: Prednji ventilator (intake) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm Red LED fan or 140 x 140 x 25 mm fan Zadnji ventilator (exhaust) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm TurboFan (1300rpm,17dBA) Bočni ventilator (intake) : 230 x 230 x 20 mm silent fan Gornji ventilator (exhaust) : 230 x 230 x 20 mm silent fan MB Tray (intake) : Optional 70 x 70 x 10 mm fan
Kućište Thermaltake Element S VK60001N2Z = 117,00 eur
Kućište Thermaltake Element S Midi tower Podržani formati matične ploče: ATX,µATX Ladice za uređaje: 5,25" -3kom, 3,5" - 7kom 2xUSB, 1x e-Sata, HD Audio x1 Crna boja Hlađenje: Prednji ventilatori (intake) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm TurboFan, 1300rpm, 17dBA; 120 x 120 mm fan (optional) Zadnji ventilatori (exhaust) : 140 x 140 x 25 mm TurboFan, 1000rpm, 16dBA Dva 60 x 60 mm fan (optional) Gornji ventilator (exhaust) : 230 x 230 x 20 mm red LED fan, 600rpm, 15dBA
Kućište Thermaltake Armor+ MX VH8000BWS = 137,00 eur
Kućište Thermaltake Armor+ MX Midi tower Podržani formati matične ploče: ATX,µATX Ladice za uređaje: 5,25"-5kom, 3,5" - 1kom, 3,5" unutrasnji 4kom USBx2, 1x e-Sata, HD Audio x1 Crna boja Hlađenje: Prednji ventilator (intake) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm blue LED fan, 1300rpm, 17dBA Zadnji ventilator (exhaust) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm TurboFan, 1300rpm, 17dBA Bočni ventilator (intake) : 230 x 230 x 20 mm blue LED fan, 800rpm, 15dBA
Kućište Thermaltake V9 BlackX Edition VM400M1W2Z = 114,00 eur
Kućište Thermaltake V9 BlackX Edition Midi tower Podržani formati matične ploče: ATX,µATX Ladice za uređaje: 5,25" -3kom, 3,5" 2kom, 3,5" unutrasnji 5kom USB 3.0 x1, USB 2.0 x1, HD Audio x1 HDD Docking 2x 2,5" i 3,5" Crna boja Hlađenje: Prednji ventilator (intake) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm Blue LED fan ,1000rpm,16dBA Zadnji ventilator (exhaust) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm TurboFan ,1300rpm,17dBA Gornji ventilator (exhaust) :230 x 230 x 20 mm Silent fan ,800rpm, 14dBA
Kućište Thermaltake V9 VJ40001W2Z = 100,00 eur
Kućište Thermaltake V9 Midi tower Podržani formati matične ploče: ATX,µATX Ladice za uređaje: 5,25" -4kom, 3,5"- 2kom, 3,5" unutrasnji 5kom 2xUSB, HD Audio x1 Hlađenje: Prednji ventilator (intake) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm Red LED fan or 140 x 140 x 25 mm fan (optional) Zadnjinji ventilator (exhaust) : 120 x 120 x 25 mm TurboFan (1300rpm,17dBA) Gornji ventilator (exhaust) : 230 x 230 x 20 mm silent fan Built-in MB Tray (intake) : Optional
Grafičke do 100€?
Trenutno na lageru:
MSI ATI R5450-MD512H /650MHz/1600MHz 512MB DDRIII/64Bit/PCI-E 16x/max 2560x1600/DX11/HDMI/DVI/HDCP = 47,00 eur
MSI ATI R4650-MD1G /PCI-E 2.0/600MHz/1GHz 1GB DDRII/128Bit/DirectX 10.1/HDMI/DVI/HDCP/HDTV R/CF = 59,00 eur
MSI ATI VR5550-MD1G GDDRII 1GB,128bit,D-Sub,DVI,HDMI,DX11,Fan + POKLON IGRA = 70.00 eur
MSI VR5570-MD1G / GDDR2 1GB/ 128bit/ DVI/ HDMI/ D-Sub/ DirectX 11/ Fansink = 71,00 eur
MSI ATI R5670-PMD1G /Core Clock 774MHz/4040MHz 1GB GDDR5/128Bit/PCI-E 2.0/DX11/HDMI = 98.00 eur
MSI R5750-MD1G / GDDR5 1GB/ 128bit/ DVI/ HDMI/ DirectX 11/ Fan/ = 121,00 eur
MSI N210-MD512/ DDR2 512MB/ 64bit/ HDMI/ DVI/ D-Sub/ DirectX 10.1/ Heatsink = 42.00 eur
MSI nVidia N210-MD1G /D3 /1GB- DDR3/64bit/HDMI/DVI/FAN = 56,00 eur
MSI nVidia N220GT-MD1G /625MHz/1580MHz 1GB DDRII/128Bit/PCI-E x 20/DX10.1/Fansink = 66,00 eur
MSI N430GT-MD1GD3 /LP / GDDR3 1024MB/128bit/DVI/HDMI/DirectX 11/Dual Fan/ = 78,00 eur
MSI N450GTS-M2D1GD5 OC edition/ GDDR5 1GB/ 128 bit/ 2 DVI/ HDMI/ DirectX 11/OC/Fan = 120.00 eur
Asus VGA ATI EAH5450 SILENT /DI/512MD2/LP; RADEON HD 5450, PCIE 2.1, 512MB, DDR2, 64bit, Core 650Mhz, Mem 800Mhz, Passive, DVI-I *2 (HDCP support), Native HDMI, DX11 = 53.00 eur
Asus EAH5450/DI/1GD3 (LP), DDR3 64bit, 650MHz, ActiveCooling, DVI-I, HDMI, HDCP, DX11 = 62.00 eur
Asus VGA ATI EAH5550 SILENT 1GB DDR2 RADEON HD 5550, PCI-E 2.1, 1GB, DDR2 128bit, Core 550MHz, Mem 800Mhz, Passive cooling, Dual slot, DVI-I *1 (HDCP support), HDMI = 64.00 eur
Asus VGA ATI EAH5670/DI/1GD5 RADEON HD 5670, PCIE 2.1, 1GB, DDR5, 128bit, Core 775Mhz, Mem 4Ghz, Active, Dual slot, DVI-I * 1(HDCP support), DX11 = 104.00 eur
Asus VGA nVidia 8400 512MB Silent GF8400GS, PCI-E 2.0, 512MB, DDR2 64 bit, Core 567Mhz, Mem 800Mhz, Passive cooling, DVI-I * 1 (HDCP support) = 33.00 eur
Asus VGA nVidia GT210 512MB, PCIE 2.0, 512 MB, DDR2 64 bit, Core 589Mhz, Mem 800Mhz, Active cooling, Single slot, 1*DVI-I (1HDCP), Native HDMI = 41.00 eur
ASUS ENGT240/DI/512MD3/A, 90-C1CNRA-J0UAN0KZ, NVIDIA GeForce, GT240, PCIe x16, 512 MB, DDR3, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 550 MHz, Takt memorije 2000 MHz, DVI-I, HDTV da, 1x D-sub, HDMI, 2560x1600 = 74.00 eur
Asus VGA nVidia GT240 1GB DDR3 GF GT240, PCIE 2.0, 1 GB, DDR3 128 bit, Core 550MHz, Mem 1580MHz, Active cooling, Dual slot DVI-I*1 (HDCP support), HDMI = 82.00 eur
Asus VGA nVidia GT430 1GB DDR3 GT430, 1GB, DDR3 128bit, Core 700MHz, Mem 1600MHz, PCIe x16, DVI-I, HDMI = 82,00 eur
nVidia GeForce GT250 Asus 512 MB/DDR3/DVI/HDMI/256bit = 98.00 eur
Asus VGA nVidia GTS450 1GB DDR5 GF GTS450, PCIE 2.0, 1GB DDR5 128 bit, Core 783MHz, Mem 3.6GHz, Active cooling, Dual slot, 1X DVI-I(HDCP support), HDMI = 127.00 eur
Gigabyte VGA GV-N210OC-512I, 512MB GT 210, 512MB, GDDR2, 64bit, Core 650MHz, Mem 800MHz, PCI Express 2.0, DirectX 10.1, HDMI, HDCP, Dual-link DVI-I, Fan = 40.00 eur
Gigabyte VGA GV-N210D2-1GI, nVidia N210 1GB N210D2GI, 1GB, 128bit, GDDR2, Core 475MHz, Mem 800Mhz, PCI Express 2.0, HDMI, Dual-link DVI-I, GBT Fansink = 54,00 eur
Gigabyte VGA GV-N220D2-1GI, N220GT 1GB GT 220, 1GB, GDDR2, 128bit, Core 625MHZ, Mem 800MHz, PCI Express 2.0, DirectX 10.1, HDMI, HDCP, Dual-link DVI-I, Fan = 63.00 eur
Gigabyte VGA GV-N240D3-1GI, N240 1GB GT 240, 1GB, 128bit, DDR3, Core 600MHz, Mem 1600Mhz, PCI Express 2.0, DirectX 10.1, HDMI, HDCP, Dual-link DVI-I, GBT Fan = 83.00 eur
Gigabyte VGA GV-N240SL-1GI, N240 1GB Silent Cell GT 240, 1 GB GDDR5 128-bit, DVI-I/ D-SUB/HDMI, Silent Cell, Core 550MHz, Mem 3.4GHz = 88.00 eur
Gigabyte VGA nVidia GV-N450-1GI, nVidia N450 1GB GTS 450, 1GB, GDDR5, 128 bit, Core 810MHz, Mem 3.6GHz, PCI Express 2.0, HDMI, Dual-link DVI-I, GBT Fansink, Smart Fan = 125.00 eur
Palit GT220 SUPER /512MB DDR2, NVIDIA GeForce, GT220, PCIe x16, 512 MB, DDR2, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 635 MHz, Takt memorije 800 MHz, DVI-I, HDTV da, 1x D-sub, HDMI, 2560x1600 = 49.00 eur
Palit GT220 SUPER/512MB DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce, GT220, PCIe x16, 512 MB, DDR3, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 650 MHz, Takt memorije 1800 MHz, DVI-I, HDTV da, 1x D-sub, HDMI, 2560x1600 = 50.00 eur
VTX 3D VX4350 512MD3-H /512Mb-DDR3-800Mhz/ 64-bit/ D-sub, DVI, HDMI = 35.00 eur
VTX HD5450 SILENT 512MB DDR3-800Mhz (V2)/ 64-bit/ D-sub, DVI, HDMI = 43.00 eur
VTX 3D HD5570 512MB-DDR2-800Mhz/ 128-bit/ D-Sub, DVI, HDMI = 45.00 eur
VTX 3D HD4350 SILENT 1024MB, ATi Radeon, HD4350, PCIe x16, 1024 MB DDR2, Radni takt GPU 600 MHz, Takt memorije 800 MHz, DVI-I, HDTV da, 1x D-sub, 2560x1600 = 46.00 eur
VTX 3D HD5450 SILENT 1GB DDR3-1000Mhz (V2)/ 64-bit/ D-sub, DVI, HDMI = 50.00 eur
VTX 3D HD5570 1GB (V2), ATi Radeon, HD5570, PCIe x16, 1024 MB, DDR3, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 650 MHz, Takt memorije 800 MHz, DVI-I = 70,00 eur
VTX 3D HD5570 1GB, ATi Radeon, HD5770, PCIe x16, 1024 MB, DDR2, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 650 MHz, Takt memorije 800 MHz, DVI-I, 1x D-sub, HDMI, 2560x1600, DirectX 11 = 72.00 eur
VTX 3D HD5750 512MB, VX5750 512MD5-H, ATi Radeon, HD5750, PCIe x16, 512 MB, DDR5, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 700 MHz, Takt memorije 4600 MHz, DVI-I, HDTV da, 1x D-sub, HDMI, 2560x1600, DirectX 11 = 84,00 eur
VTX 3D HD5670 1GB (V2), ATi Radeon, HD5670, PCIe x16, 1024 MB, DDR5, 128-bit, Radni takt GPU 775 MHz, Takt memorije 4000 MHz, DVI-I = 88,00 eur
ATI Radeon 5570 XFX 1GB/DDR2,/DVI/VGA/HDMI/128bit = 77.00 eur
ATI Radeon 5550 XFX 1GB/DDR2/DVI/VGA/HDMI/128bit/HD-555X-ZNF2 = 77.00 eur
ATI Radeon 4350 PowerColor 512MB/DDR2,/HDMI/DVI/Silent/64bit = 35.00 eur
ATI Radeon 5670 Powercolor 1GB/DDR5,/DVI/HDMI/DP/128bit/AX5670 1GBD5-HV2 = 104.00 eur
ATI Radeon 4850 PowerColor 1GB/DDR3/DVI/HDMI/VGA/256bit = 108.00 eur
ATI Radeon 5770 PowerColor 1GB/DDR5,/DVI/HDMI/VGA/128bit = 145.00 eur
nVidia GeForce GT240 Gainward 512MB/DDR3,/DVI/HDMI/128bit/GT240-512-HDMI-DVI = 78.00 eur
Imas li sto grafickih za stariji komp?
Pa mislim da ti je odgovoreno u prethodnom postu,covjek ti je nabrojao sve graficke do 100e,jedino ako neces da uzimas neku koja vrijedi vise nego ,stariji komp, :)
Gamer motherboard X58 po extra cijeni:
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD9, Intel® Core™ i7 LGA1366, Intel® X58 Express Chipset, South Bridge: Intel® ICH10R, 6 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 24 GB of system memory, DDR3 2200+/1333/1066/800 MHz, Extreme Memory Profile (XMP), 2/4/5.1/7.1-channel Support for Dolby® Home Theater, 4 x PCI Express x16 slots, 3 x PCI Express x16 slots, Support for 2-Way/3-Way/4-Way ATI CrossFireX™/NVIDIA SLI technology, 6 x SATA 3Gb/s, SATA RAID 0, and RAID 1, 12 USB 2.0/1.1, 2 USB 3.0/2.0 ports, 3 IEEE 1394a ports = 410,00 eur
Detaljan opis na site-u proizvodjaca:
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...px?pid=3434#sp
Newegg - cijena 599,99$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128446
ITSvet - najniza cijena od 429.78eur do 503.25eur
http://www.itsvet.com/proizvod/-ga-x...mboard/16/1666
Unboxing on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08q6vJZ7FZM
http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-con...ing-system.jpg
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD9 je ploca XL ATX formata, tako da buduci kupac bude upoznat sa tim jer postoji vrlo mali broj kucista u koje se moze smjestit ova ploca ;)
http://download.gigabyte.asia/FileLi...pport-List.pdf
i vrlo mali broj kupaca koji ce dati 400+€ za maticnu :mrgreen: Mada, sasina ponuda je extra kad se vidi koliko inace maticna kosta svuda ostalo...
poslah ti pm...:)
Treba mi pod hitno neki UPS koji podrzava napajanje od oko 450-500 W
Imas li sta?